5th 155mm Gun Battery (SP) (Rein), 1/13, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade
The (Rein) indicated that 5th 8” was reinforcing
5th 155 Guns. It was only the 1st Platoon of 8" that ever
went to Vietnam. The rest of the Battery stayed at 29 Palms.
Ron DeVasto for the clarification on the 8" Platoon.
Redesignated 5th 175mm Gun Battery in 1969
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Means, Memoirs of Vietnam
"FIREBALL" IS ON IT'S WAY
Fireball was our call sign. Great call sign for the Big
Thanks to Doc Pettee for taking such a great picture and to
Jerry Schexnayder for cleaning up the picture.
I got tired of trying to find a web site about the 5th 155mm Gun
Battery so I thought that I would just make one myself.
If you were with the 5th 155 e-mail me and I will start a e-mail
list of the old battery.
E-Mail Address: John@Brummal.com
In Vietnam we did not know that there was a logo for 9th MAB,
but there is.
Where we were:
29 Palms, Okinawa - Camp Hanson, Japan - Mt Fuji, Hill 51 -
Que Son Valley, Red Beach - Danang, Hill 41 - Camp Evens, LZ Jane, Khe Sanh, LZ
Sharon, Camp Carroll, Cam Lo (C-3), Ca Lu, Dong Ha, Rock Pile, Vandergrift
Combat Base (aka LZ Stud), and the Last Round Fired - Dong Ha - March 1970.
The older I get the more I forget names. A couple I can remember
are LCpl Charles "Chuck" East, SSgt Hull and Capt. Steel (great name
for a Marine Officer).
If you want to hear the Marine Corps Hymn again just click
Thanks to Jim Burdge for send in this article:
5th 175mm Gun Battery (SP) (REIN)
Fleet Marine Force Pacific
FPO San Francisco, California 96602
BtryO 5060.1 JWL/wrm
27 Feb 1970
BATTERY ORDER 5060.1
FROM: Commanding Officer
To: All Hands
Subj: Battery Combat History
1. Purpose. To publish the combat history of 5th 175mm Gun
Battery (SP) REIN in the Republic
2. The combat history of 5th 175mm Gun Battery in Vietnam is a
short but proud one.
The battery was activated on 1 August 1966 at Marine Corps
Base, Twenty-Nine Palms, California as the 5th 155mm Gun Battery, On 23 July
1967, two platoons of 155mm Guns
and one platoon of 8 Inch Howitzers came ashore at Chu Lai in the southern
part of I Corps Tactical Zone. During the
remainder of 1967, the
battery operated primarily in the
area around Chu Lai and DaNang, but began moving North near the year's
end. By December 1967, the battery was spread the entire length of I
Corps,from Chu Lai in the South, to Dong Ha in the North.1968 found 5th Guns
operating throughout Northern "L Corps.
Cam Lo, Ca Lu, the Rockpile and
Khe Sanh became well known positions to the Guns. One position,occupied from
July to December 1968 was finally closed out, only to be reopened again
with the help of 5th Guns a year later, this being Camp J.J.CARROLL.
In March of 1969, the first of the new 175mm Guns were
received. The first round of the
new weapon was fired by the Commanding General of the 3d Marine Division. By
April, the entire battery had acquired
the new 175's and on 29 April 1969 the unit was officially re-designated 5th
175mm Gun Battery (SP) (REIN). Early 1969 found the battery occupying
Vandergrift Combat Base, Fire Support Base Elliott, and Dong Ha West.
In October, the six 175mm Guns moved into the newly reopened Camp Carroll,
while the 8 Inch Howitzer Platoon went
north to FSB Alpha-2 on the DMZ. At this time,
5th Guns began a unique and rewarding relationship with the United States
Army. While our parent unit remained the
11th Marine Regiment of 1st Marine Division,
operational control was passed to the 108th Artillery Group of XXIV Corps
Artillery. During the next four
and one-half months, 5th Guns participated in some of its most challenging
operations. While working with 108th
Group, the battery fired over 26,000 rounds,more than 6,000 rounds per month
and participated in three heavy artillery raids.
During it's tour in Vietnam, 5th 175mm Gun Battery
participated in a total of 32 separate
combat operations, while only losing five men to the enemy. As a 175mm Gun
Battery for only 11 months, 5th Guns expended over 45,000 rounds of heavy
artillery against the enemy forces
in Northern I Corps. While 5th 175mm Gun Battery spent only two and one-half
years in Vietnam, it operated the entire length and breadth of I Corps, from
Chu Lai in the South to Gio Linh in the North and West to Khe Sanh.It's combat
history ranks as one of the finest and is a credit to the Marines who served
with the battery and to our beloved
JAMES C. ATKINS JR.
Major, U. S. Marine Corps
Activated in August 1966 as a 155mm gun battery, this
unit had been in Vietnam since July 1967, initially near Chu Lai and Da Nang
and in Northern ICTZ since the beginning of 1968. In March 1969, it had
received its 175mm guns, and in October of the same year, as the 3rd Marine
Division redeployed, it came under operational control of XXIV Corps, attached
to the 108th Artillery Group. 5th 175mm Gun Battery.
The single Marine artillery unit not under 11th Marines
control, the 5th 175mm Gun Battery (SP) (Rein), operated in northern I Corps.
Its command post was at Dong Ha Combat Base, while its 175mm guns were at Camp
Carroll and a reinforcing platoon of 8-inch self-propelled howitzers was
located at FSB A-2. This battery, under the operational control of the 108th
Artillery Group, USA, fired long-range missions in support of the 101st
Airborne Division; the 1st Brigade, 5th Infantry Division (Mechanized); and
the 1st ARVN Division. It also attacked targets in enemy base areas along the
Laotian border. The battery's tracked 175's periodically moved west along
Route 9 to participate in Army artillery raids on enemy bases not
in range from American positions.
Vietnam Perspective by Retired Lt. Gen. James Link, U.S.
commander of Redstone Arsenal, delivered this address at the breakfast
commemorating the arrival in Huntsville, Alabama of the traveling
Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, distinguished guests, fellow veterans, and
especially fellow veterans of the war in Vietnam. It is indeed a
tremendous honor for me to stand before you this morning as we come together
to remember fallen comrades, MIAs/POWs and a very important time in our lives.
A time of war, a time of conflict not only in Southeast Asia, but throughout
our nation. Indeed a time that has shaped our national consciousness,
and for we veterans, a time which forged a sense of self that in many ways
defines us still today. Lest we forget, how then do we remember?
How do we honor those who did not come home, or came home broken and bent in
both body and spirit? I remember when the architectural design of the
Vietnam War Memorial Wall was first proposed. Many of us recoiled at the
thought of a ditch on the Mall, listing nothing more than the names of those
who paid the ultimate sacrifice. Surely, this was yet one more insult
hurled at those who had answered the call to serve their nation rather than
serve themselves. But that wall has transcended all things political and
overcome controversy, as it reaches out to us who served, and even those who
did not serve, while deeply touching all of us who lost comrades, friends,
neighbors and loved ones during that troubled time. The mystery of the
wall is found in its majestic simplicity. Panels of black stone that
hold not only the names of those killed, but in its mirror-like finish, the
faces of all of us who come to witness its solemn statement. In that
reflection, we are made one with the monument, we join its essence, and are
consumed by images behind the names. Images of young men, their lives
cut short, their personal sacrifices often unrecorded, their selfless service,
unflinching courage, and the unique love and caring that is shared by comrades
in arms. It is the wound on our National Mall that never heals, but it
does serve to soothe the deep scars on those of us who carry heavy memories,
and for some perhaps a little guilt for having been the ones fortunate enough
to return to "the world." As this Memorial travels around the
country it invariably brings with it a lot of discussion and perhaps even
rekindled old arguments about the Vietnam War. The arrival of the
Vietnam Memorial Wall in Huntsville provides an opportunity for us to reflect
on this important period in our individual lives and our nation's history.
Of course, there are those who might say we veterans are still too close to
the heat of battle, too burdened by personal experiences to make objective
judgments about the Vietnam War. To that, I say Bull! I've grown
weary of those in the media, academia and the entertainment industry, who
would purport to speak for us, or to try to define us a bunch of hair-trigger
psychopaths on the verge of insanity or some unspeakable violence. We
who were actually there know what we saw, and we know what we did. Each
of us is just one of the millions who proudly served, having done our duty
with honor. I see little of what I experienced reflected in Oliver
Stone's movies. I personally think Oliver donated a few too many of his
brain cells to his drug use. In my view, movies like "Apocalypse
Now" are nothing more than a collection of psychotic experiences made up
in Hollywood bearing scant resemblance to the reality we experienced.
You and I can certainly recognize the difference between artistic license and
a lie, can't we! America's involvement in Vietnam lasted for thirteen years,
from 1960 to 1973. Of course the result was not victory at all.
Not even a cease-fire or a demilitarized strip of land between North and South
as happened in Korea. Just negotiated terms allowing the United States
of America to "withdraw with honor." Whatever that meant. So
we didn't return home to victory parades and kisses in Times Square.
Most of us were just another passenger aboard a chartered airliner (mine was a
Braniff Airlines Boeing 707) painted a heinous green color. What a
beautiful sight! Others came home in Air Force cargo planes to be dumped
at some military base usually in the middle of the night. Remember, we came
home to antipathy and in many cases to antagonism. We were told to
quickly get out of our uniforms in order to avoid confrontations on city
streets. No wonder it has taken so long for many of us to even want to
talk about the war. But talk we must for we are living witnesses, and if
we are silent others will continue to spin a version of the truth that best
suits their personal agenda. We must dispel the myths that have grown up
around the War, and there are so many. Those of us who served must
debunk these myths at every opportunity, and today is one of those. The
first myth is that the armed forces of the United States suffered a major
military defeat in Vietnam. Our forces were never defeated in terrible
battles where our soldiers and Marines suffered awful casualties, like Dak To
and Hamburger Hill, and our airmen suffered too, many killed and captured in
the air campaign, but the war was not lost as a result of these battles.
In fact, where we found the enemy we defeated him. After the Tet
Offensive in 1968, the Vietcong and the North Vietnamese operating in the
south, were so soundly defeated that they could not launch another major
offensive until 1972. That didn't deter the North Vietnamese, since they
were willing to lose the war on the battlefield, they were after victory in
the minds of the American people. Perhaps we could have won a military
victory, but it would have taken many more than the 500,000 troops we had in
Vietnam at the height of the war. Besides, by 1969, public opinion in the
United States wanted us out of Vietnam. The role of the media in
deciding this issue has been the subject of many books and articles, so I
won't go into that here. I will say I don't believe the media caused us
to lose the war, although some in the press were trying their best to make it
so. Those of you who attended the AUSA Conference in Washington this
year will recall General Weyand's remarks while accepting the George C.
Marshall Award. Following Tet 1968, he was interviewed by Walter Cronkite in
the Mekong Delta following the resounding defeat of enemy forces there by the
U.S. military, including U.S. Navy Riverine Forces. Walter
acknowledged the victory, but told General Weyand he preferred to report on
the thousands of Vietnamese he had seen being put in mass graves in Hue after
Tet. In reporting this rather than any American victory, he said he
hoped to bring a quicker end to the war. It didn't seem to bother Mr.
Cronkite that the bodies were those of South Vietnamese brutally killed by the
North Vietnamese during Tet. Nor did it seem to bother him that he had
compromised his own objectivity and integrity in reporting the war. Of
course, we who have dedicated our lives defending the Constitution against all
enemies foreign and domestic certainly support all its provisions to include
the First Amendment. I just hope what we saw in the press in Vietnam and
still see today isn't as good as it gets. Our nation deserves better.
The second myth is that somehow the soldiers in Vietnam were very different
from those who served in World War II. The myth purports that the
Vietnam soldier was much younger, poorly educated, forced to go to war against
his will. It is often claimed that they disproportionately came from
minority groups, while their better-off social superiors dodged the draft and
stayed safe at home out of harm's way. The truth is, of course,
different. The average age of the soldiers in Vietnam was just under 23
compared to around 25 in World War II where mass conscription prevailed.
The enlisted soldier in Vietnam was actually better educated: 79 percent had
completed high school as opposed to just 24 percent in World War II. In
Vietnam, 20 percent of the enlisted men had college degrees, three times the
number in the Second World War. In a democracy, even your jeep driver
may be better educated than you. As far as social representation,
studies have shown that blacks and Hispanics were actually slightly
underrepresented compared to their percentage of the total population.
For instance, African-Americans comprised 13.1 percent of the age group
subject to the military, they comprised 12.6 percent of the armed forces, and
represented 12.2 percent of the casualties. In 1992 a study looked at
the 58,000 Americans killed in Vietnam and found that 30 percent came from
families in the lowest third of the income range while 26 percent came from
the highest. Not much of a disparity when you look at the facts. A
third myth is that draft evasion was rampant during the Vietnam era and higher
than in World War II. Not so. During the Vietnam War about half a
million men were draft dodgers, and I bet you know some of their names!
Only about 9,000 cases were actually prosecuted, and very few ever served
prison time. In World War II, 350,000 were prosecuted for draft evasion
and many went to prison. It is interesting to note that during Vietnam
10,000 Americans went to Canada, but up to 30,000 Canadians joined the U.S.
armed forces, and of
those 10,000 served in Vietnam. We all know cowardice in the face of the
draft is not a new phenomenon, but during Vietnam it became an art form.
More importantly, draft dodgers made themselves out to be ethical and moral,
while those of us who served were made out to be morally inferior, stupid, or
just unlucky. The radical left on our campuses had a clear goal of
transforming the shame of the self-serving and the fearful into the guilt of
the courageous. A fourth myth is that casualties were disproportionately
higher for enlisted men than for officers. Actually, while officers
killed in action accounted for 13.5 percent of those who died in Vietnam, they
comprised only 12 percent of the troop strength. Proportionally, more officers
were killed in Vietnam than in World War II. In Vietnam, we lost twice
as many company commanders as we did platoon leaders, confirming in the
Vietnam War that leaders led from the front. Another interesting fact
you can use to debunk a popular myth is that volunteers, not draftees,
accounted for the majority (77 percent) of combat deaths in Vietnam. How
many of those do you think were 18 year olds? Just 101, or less than one
tenth of one percent of all those
Well, there are many other myths we could talk about, but instead I'd like to
remind you of the humor that accompanied American soldiers in this war, as it
has all the others. I suspect many of you remember the time honored
Murphy's Laws of Combat: * Don't look conspicuous . . . it
draws fire. * If it's stupid, but it works, it's not stupid. * If
your attack is going really well, it's an ambush. * When you have
secured an area, don't forget to tell the enemy. * Friendly fire .
. . isn't. * Anything you do can get you shot, including
doing nothing. * Never share a foxhole with someone braver than you are.
* A sucking chest wound is just nature's way of telling you to slow down.
* The buddy system is key to your survival . . . it gives
the enemy someone else to shoot at. * It's not the one with your name on
it you need to worry about, it's the one addressed: "To whom it may
Remember, nine million men and women served in the military during the 13
years of the war, and three million of those served in the Vietnam theater.
Two thirds of those who saw duty in Vietnam were volunteers and 77 percent of
those who died were volunteers. Our American citizen-soldier performed
with a tenacity and quality that may never be fully appreciated or truly
understood. Should anyone think the war was conducted in an incompetent
manner, should look at the numbers: Hanoi admits to 1.4 million of its
soldiers killed on the battlefield compared to our 58,000, and about 250,000
South Vietnamese. And if someone tries to convince you that Vietnam was
"a dirty little war", where Air Force and Navy bombs did all the
work, you might remind them that this was the most costly war the grunts of
the U.S. Marines Corps ever fought-five times as many dead as in World
War I, three times as many dead as in Korea, and more total killed and wounded
than in all of World War II. To the Vietnam veterans here today, and to all
those whose name appears on the Wall, I say you are all heroes. Heroes
who faced the issues of this war, including your own possible death, and after
weighing those concerns against your obligation to your country, you decided
to serve with honor. In the words of a timeless phrase found on the
Confederate Memorial in Arlington Cemetery, "not for fame or reward, not
for place or for rank, but in simple obedience to duty, as they understood
it." I ask each of you to treat each other with the dignity and respect
you have earned. Reach out and welcome a fellow Vietnam veteran home.
God bless each of you, and may God continue to bless this America we love and
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